Another week, another new sheet of Heineken Cup odds…..
Unfortunately, Stade didn’t quite come manage the result they needed at Harlequins to get back to the head of the market and are now three times the 10/1 they were before the match. By my calculations Stade could very well qualify in eighth place by getting BP wins over Ulster and Llanelli – both of whom are vulnerable to being totally outclassed.
That could mean an away clash with Toulouse, although Bath ran them close away and must fancy their chances at The Rec, which would change things around at the top. In fact, it might possibly mean Stade will end up with a re-match against Quins – with spring/summer conditions a real possibility – in the quarters.
That would right the ship nicely, though it is, admittedly, a longshot.
Possibly of greater interest now are Munster, who despite beating what is arguably the best rugby side in the competition in Clermont, went out half a point from 7/2 to 4/1 even though they are clearly now a better proposition now then they were before that game.
Yes, it exposed their flaws quite cruelly at times but they got through it and things are shaping up nicely elsewhere with the middling to big French sides that are probably the worst draw for Munster falling away a bit; Stade wobbled and Perpignan and Clermont are all but gone.
That means there will likely be only one more big French team – Toulouse, whose form is scrappy enough in this competition - to face once the tournament opens out.
Rua Tipoki’s return to the side should help correct some of the problems and Toulouse are a side Munster know they can beat. In fact, Munster are basically being asked to do a similar job this year to what they already did last year.
Leinster, meanwhile, have only been pushed out to 8/1 (from 6s) despite a dire showing away at Castres and despite the fact that the prediction that they will emerge from the pool is very much rooted in a ‘Leinster are bad, but Wasps are worse’ framework. That is never a good betting proposition and is particularly uninviting here. There’s no telling what shape January’s clash will take, and a lot depends on how Leinster manage their resources in the interim.
But even if they win that match and get a home quarter, there are bogey draws all over the place for them. That said, they definitely have one big win in them and might well pull it off in a home quarter. But if they reach the rarified atmosphere of semis and finals, there is no guarantee whatsoever that they’ll hold up.
Even at 12s or 16s you would be a little reluctant to back at this point, so 8s make no sense at all.
More broadly, there is no real outstanding price to be had though Munster, Quins and Leicester have at least got significant achievements to back their lofty prices and look like teams that are going places. Munster in particular are in a very solid position.
Of the others high up in the betting, Leinster, Cardiff, Bath , Ospreys and even Toulouse are that much harder to fancy.